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20 August 2010

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jeremy

Its that old fallacy: all 9/11 terrorists are Muslim, therefore all Muslims are 9/11 terrorists.

Obama surely got it right. As a Taoist Chinese living in a Christian European country, I see that the bulk of the discussion will focus on where one draws the line. At which exact point of the slippery slope do you erect the protective barrier?

Britain, being a more integrated society than the US and to a large extent more tolerant of diversity, has been a more interesting experimental lab over the past decade.

Currently the American conversation is on the right to build a mosque (or a Buddhist temple or Parsi tower). Most centrists (like myself) would concur that freedom of worship should be a given.

If a country allows Mormons to wear beards and Jews to wear kippahs (like in France) in the workplace, should it also allow the rights to wear hijabs or even full burqas?

If a country allows Christians religious schools offering fundamentalist/alternative curriculum that contradicts/attacks that of state-run institutions (like in US and UK), is it also morally obliged to support Islamic fundamentalist schools?

The policy makers and legal courts will have their work cut out for them for many years to come.

Until then, my Taoist garb and reincarnation texts remains in the strict preserve of my home!


Peter

Dear Jeremy,

How do you square your opinion that "Britain (is) a more integrated society than the US and to a large extent more tolerant of diversity" with the fact that the US proudly elected a mixed-race, African-descended, first-generation immigrant to the highest public office in the land?

I don't see how anyone could look at the monochromatic sea of white faces in Parliament, at Wimbledon, and in all the public and private places where the powerful gather in the UK and arrive at your conclusion.

Views of America such as yours often have been shaped largely by films and television, or limited personal experiences dating back more than a generation. I wonder how many times you've visited the US recently, or if you've ever been there at all.

As for the widespread casual anti-Semitism shared by many Britons who need only a small scratch to reveal it, please don't get me started!

Greg Murray

Hi David,
I have just read this blog and essentially I agree with what you have written.
However for several days now, since viewing a video which was sent via email of a young girl being stoned to death because she refused to marry an old man, (the actual real truth of the events may have changed, but i am not to know otherwise at this stage)but regardless this happenned,I have lain awake at night thinking about this. Where are the parents? How could they allow this to happen to an innocent child? Was this child dragged from her home to be murdered by this frenzied fanatical mob?
Yes there is this mob mentallity in most society's, for example the soccer hooligans, and I am not condoning this behaviour, but at least they have the opportunity to defend themselves.
It took me several days to build up the courage to watch this, and it has left me feeling sickened, sad and disguted with what man can do to others. Whilst there were no faces to see of the people surrounding the girl there was an obvious and almost "carnival" & "cockfight" atmosphere of bodies fighting for the best vantage point to video the event, and all under the name of Islam.

Let me say that I too have muslim friends, and dont wish to tar all with the same brush, but I struggle that in this 21st century, and that there are so many powerful and influential people in the Muslim community that this practice is allowed to continue.

David Eldon

Greg, there are without doubt many atrocities carried out in the name of religion - and which in our world really have no place today. They run from the highly publicised accusations and subsequent admissions of child abuse to what I personally would call barbaric acts such as the one you describe.
I am fascinated by some of the debate taking place in Britain today as a result of the Pope's visit - wherein one of the only comments I have agreed with so far, if I may paraphrase, is his warning that countries (he was specifically meaning Britain) run the risk of forgetting their roots and if, for example they have Christian traditions they should not abandon them. (Some cities in England, it appears, have said you cannot celebrate Christmas in case it offends people from other religions). Of course, in that case, then Muslim states should be permitted to continue their beliefs!
The bottom line, though, is that certainly the people with whom I come into touch in the Muslim world are as appalled by these acts of barbarism as you and me.

Jeremy

Hi Peter,

You may have misunderstood my main point.

Also, please do not interpret my regard for British tolerance as a diminishment of the US. In the global scheme of things, America is tolerant...significantly more so than my native Singapore. It is just that Britain is THE most tolerant English-speaking society I've experienced. That is the mere opinion of one who has lived 6 years in the US and 5 years in Europe.

PS. As for the anti-semitic Brits, the Semite Disraeli served two terms as British Prime Minister in the 19th C – 140 years before Obama. No doubt the British electorate would have embraced Obama, were he running for office there instead.

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